Greens distant second in Hulme

The Green Party’s efforts to regain the council seat it lost in 2008 have met with failure again.  In the Hulme by-election forced by the resignation of Emily Lomax (caught drunk-driving), Labour finished with more well above half the total votes cast.  Contra MCFly’s glib and ill-informed prediction, the Lib Dems slipped from second to third (no general election to help them on their way this time).  The Greens therefore move back to ‘second’ place in this ward, but that will presumably be cold comfort.

Hulme By-Election results – Lab 1031, Green 451, Lib Dems 151, Cons 67

Turnout 10.9%


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13 Responses to Greens distant second in Hulme

  1. sim0n says:

    10.9% turn out!? FFS…

    Am I looking in the wrong place or are their websites/blogs VERY out of date – with no info about the by-election..? (last post August 2010) (pre-May?)

    • dwighttowers says:

      You’re looking at the right websites I think, but if you are looking for systematically updated sites with a strategic approach to information and its usefulness to a political campaign and the credibility of a party, then you ARE looking in the wrong place. The smugosphere, dear boy, the smugosphere.

  2. Steve Connor says:

    That turnout figure is utterly depressing.

  3. Gayle O'Donovan says:

    By elections generally have a rubbish turnout and Manchester Green Party needs a kick up the ass but I’m tired of doing it……smugosphere.

  4. David Henry says:

    You’re absolutely right to point this our Marc,

    Speaking in my own capacity (I should point out I am an elected member of the Manchester Green Party committee first – but don’t speak officially here) I think it’s only fair to explain what a difficult period the post-May elections has been for the Greens in Manchester.

    The fact local greens managed to organise for the Hulme by-election so quickly, find a new and energetic local candidate (the only one from all four parties that lives in the ward) is due to the hard work of our activists who have not given up on Hulme, despite a rather difficult defeat due to the Labour-surge at the General Election.

    Winning by-elections is traditionally very difficult to say the least, let alone trying to grab a seat from the occupying party.

    The next Green Party councilor in Manchester was never going to be realistically won by suddenly rising from the shadows at a by-election, but it was a welcome opportunity to restore our place as the ONLY credible opposition vote to the governing Labour-run council.

    Of course this is helped by the nationwide demise of the Liberal Democrats, but without our presence the prospects of voting for anyone other than Labour would be a depressing idea.

    At the next elections the Lib Dems won’t be able to falsely claim “only the Lib Dems can beat Labour” with a few dodgy bar-charts as they did leading up to this by-election. It is clear once again that only the Greens can challenge Labour in Hulme(despite not winning) we’ll get there again soon, in time.

    Conservatives 4%
    Lib Dems 8%
    Greens 27%
    Labour 60%

    … and more active campaigning and a more visible presence from the Green Party in Manchester is something that will help, and which you can be assured is already unfolding.

  5. dwighttowers says:

    Manchester’s people desperately need a credible and informed and rigorous and relentless green critique of the Council’s plans. Manchester Green Party has, for years not months, not really provided that (you probably disagree). The electoral mathematics (96 seats, mostly Labour and even more after next May) state that Manchester Green Party will never (alright, ‘not in the next 20 years’) be in a position even to hold the balance of power in Manchester. But it COULD be doing a much much better job of working formally with other groups to improve knowledge of the good and bad things in the Council’s policies, and mobilising and motivating people to get stuck in. But every time I go to a Green Party meeting, I come away shocked at the sterile format, the lack of concern for capturing new energy and talent, and generating new ideas. The meetings strike me as the green equivalent to the diabolical Convention of the Left. And I’ve seen very little interest in tackling that problem. (Or rather, I’ve heard people say they’re interested in tackling the problem, but I’ve never seen any attempts to do that.)
    As an environmentalist, I hope there is “more active campaigning and a more visible presence from the Green Party in Manchester”. If there were a MCFly after issue 61, I’d say “well, I’ll report on whether that happens or not”. But there isn’t going to be a MCFly, and I am not going to be around to see if it happens or not. Good luck, is all I’ll therefore say.

  6. Climate James says:

    The turn out was only slightly less than normal for a by election. My prediction of 450 Green votes and 1000 for Labour was pretty close, but my prediction of 390 votes for the LibDems was way way out. I dont think even Labour could’ve predicted in their wildest dreams the LibDems getting 151. This is a very dark omen of things to come if you’re a LibDem. In the coming years the first wards to turn Red will all be those with large areas of former council housing. These wards are now Labour’s turf. It may be soul destroying for Manchester Green Party members trudging around Hulme electioneering for nothing in the coming months, but imagine how soul destroying it will be for LibDem volunteers trudging around Old Moat, again and again, knowing that all they’ll get is less than half of what Labour gets when they were once a serious contender (and that’s if they’re lucky). Or trudging around Chorlton Park, again and again, as they see their three Councillors lose their positions, bop, bop, bop. It may be soul destroying for the Greens to see Labour go out of sight in Hulme. But spare a thought for the LibDem volunteer as he/she sees all their years of graft and their Manchester empire collapse in such a short space of time. Marc, you predicted that the “smart money is on a LibDem blood bath in May”, well then you really should have foreseen them coming third, what were you thinking!

  7. Climate James says:

    The Greens got 825 votes in Chorlton in May, that’s 374 MORE votes than they got in Hulme in November, and that BEFORE the LbDem’s coalition with the Tories, the cuts and the sickening u-turn on tuition fees.

  8. dwighttowers says:

    Instead of gloating about the Lib Dem melt-down James, how about thinking through what this means for the chances of any sort of ‘green’ future for Manchester. Instead of gloating about the Lib Dem melt-down, why not think through how the Greens have managed to go from having a seat to close second to very very distant second (I am sure you will patiently explain to me that general elections and by-elections are Difficult). Instead of gloating about the Lib Dem melt-down, why not spend some of your enthusiasm thinking strategically about how the Green Party might… how can I put this delicately… “get its shit together for a change”?

  9. Steven Durrant says:

    Preaching at people and constantly slagging them off is a piece of piss.

    Example: Instead of relentless slagging off of MGP, FoE, Greenpeace, MCA etc. why not think through why the highly regarded McFly wont be continuing?

    Is it because you did not entirely, er…”get your shit together”? A problem motivating people perhaps?

    Blimey, that didnt take much thought. Achieved bugger all in to the bargain.

    Actually I wouldnt bother going very far down that route because I am impressed and grateful for all you have done. I recognise how things aint that simple, how every group has internal problems, challenges and failings. Especially when they are underpinned entirely on a voluntary basis.

    Constructive crticism is fine and should always be welcome. Relentless criticism becomes lazy, destructive and starts to look bitter.

    • dwighttowers says:

      As you well know Steve, I do more than “preach” or “slag off”.

      I innovate in my format of meetings and actions (e.g Youtube videos). Many times I have been praised by Green Party members etc for meeting design and facilitation, but I never see the Green Party adopt any of those techniques, despite their professed liking of them. I just see the same old shite that alienates new members and old.

      I actually *praise* Friends of the Earth, pretty frequently. It pains me a bit, because they are far too reformist for my liking. But they get shit done, which is more than I can say of pretty much any other group in Manchester. If you like me slagging off the Council, surely then you’ve got to expect the same “light” to be shone upon the professed solution? Anything else would be, um, hypocrisy, wouldn’t it?

      As for why MCFly is folding – I distinctly remember someone offering to do a load of publicity and distribution work for MCFly back in 2008 and then doing absolutely none of it. Is your memory good enough to remember who that person was?
      I have had many people helping with MCFly, but I would have preferred they got involved in functioning and effective groups. Pity there were so few of them, eh?

      I suggest if you want to discuss this further, you can send me a private email, since you seem to think that public critiques of existing groups is a bad thing.

      Marc “lazy” Hudson

  10. stevendurrant says:

    Hi Marc

    I did quite a bit of distribution for a while around that period, but didnt do enough ensure others did the same and did get caught up with other stuff.

    Asking other people to do things aint my strong point. On a number of occasions I did ask others to let me know where they were leaving McFly. It never happened.

    A couple of MGP meetings were facilitated more to your style of liking but that stopped for reasons I am not going to go into in public, not that you often stayed for longer than to distribute your own propaganda anyway.

    Yes you do praise people and organisations when they are worthy of it, but it is clear from your postings and conversations with me (indeed sometimes about me) that you have become increasingly negative about a whole array of people and have been happy to take one version of events as the truth without neccessarily verifying it by other means.

    It is no good taunting the likes of James to consider challenges faced by MGP, he very likely does consider them. But he also probably has more sense and decorum than to go flaunting conjecture regarding internal issues all over cyberspace.

  11. Deyika says:


    On the points raised, several of them have been discussed in the wake of the by-election and MGP is realistic about the scale of work that it needs to do in its next period of development to achieve its ambitions. We have plenty to do, plenty of areas to work on and several points of departure from which we can reach our goals.
    While hopeful for the future, we are putting time into planning for it.

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